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VB Forum / COM / June 2007Is microsoft.public.vb.com OK?
Sorry for the OT post everyone. The newsgroup microsoft.public.vb.com seems to be behaving strangely here, and I wanted to check whether it's the newsgroup or my machine, and whether anyone else has noticed. My OE variously shows a count of anything from 6 to 26 'unread' messages, but no such messages appear actually appear (i.e. all appear as 'read'). The count seems to change each time I click on that newsgroup in my tree. OE shows the last topic in the newsgroup was "What's the best practice? please" on about 24-may. I checked with the Web-based view of these groups and that appears to be correct. Even in these days of fading favour for VB, a week with no posts seems a bit long. Plus OE seems to think there are new posts in there but can't make up its mind how many. Tony Proctor Tony, Yet another Microsoft trick. Use Google for accessing it: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion. I access it with Google for the last six years and it's getting only better. Hope this helps, Max Kudrenko On May 30, 8:47 am, "Tony Proctor" <tony_proctor@aimtechnology_NoMoreSPAM_.com> wrote: > Sorry for the OT post everyone. > The newsgroup microsoft.public.vb.com seems to be behaving strangely here, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > its mind how many. > Tony Proctor Yours failed. Try http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion/topics?lnk =gschg > Tony, > Yet another Microsoft trick. Use Google for accessing it: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > its mind how many. > > Tony Proctor > Sorry for the OT post everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tony Proctor Tony, I'm accessing the group using OE and have not noticed anything unusual.  SignatureAl Reid >> Sorry for the OT post everyone. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> appears to be correct. > I'm accessing the group using OE and have not noticed anything unusual. I don't watch that group but m.p.vb.database has been doing the same thing for a week or so now. I've seen this many times on various MS newsgroups and usually means one of their servers has gone out of whack. It'll stop happening eventually. > I don't watch that group but m.p.vb.database has been doing the same thing > for a week or so now. I've seen this many times on various MS newsgroups > and usually means one of their servers has gone out of whack. It'll stop > happening eventually. make that m.p.vb.enterprise > >> Sorry for the OT post everyone. > >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > and usually means one of their servers has gone out of whack. It'll stop > happening eventually. Usually any time something like that happens, I reset it using Properties>Local File and that solves the problem. -- Al Reid > Usually any time something like that happens, I reset it using > Properties>Local File and that solves the problem. Same here, and it does often work, but not this time. When this happens I wait several days and try that again until it does work. Tried all that here but as soon as OE repopulated the view of the group, it all started to happen again Tony Proctor > > >> Sorry for the OT post everyone. > > >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > -- > Al Reid "Tony Proctor" <tony_proctor@aimtechnology_NoMoreSPAM_.com>'s wild thoughts were released on Wed, 30 May 2007 14:00:57 +0100 bearing the following fruit: >Tried all that here but as soon as OE repopulated the view of the group, it >all started to happen again No such strangeness here but the I don't use OE ;-) J > Tony Proctor > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> -- >> Al Reid Another one that sometimes helps in odd situations like these is to click on "Tools", and then "Get Next <whatever> Headers"...do this repeatedly until several in a row fail to return any new messages. Despite what you'd think, this seems to get messages that a Synchronize Newsgroup/Synchronize All won't get. As others have mentioned, this seems to happen in "spasms", for lack of a better term, and you'll need to do it for several days in a row, then all of a sudden, it'll be fine for weeks or months, before coming back once again. I've also noticed that it seems to only happen in higher-traffic newsgroups, though that could be pure coincidence. Rob > Tried all that here but as soon as OE repopulated the view of the group, > it [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> -- >> Al Reid > Sorry for the OT post everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tony Proctor This may be the result of retrieving headers for cancelled messages, IIRC after trying to view such a message, the server responds that the message doesn't exist OE removes the header and counts seem to be accurate again. SignatureJoris van Lier Please note that all scripts and opinions are supplied "as is" and with no warranty Blog: http://whizzrd.spaces.live.com Doesn't sound quite the same Joris. The count here seems to change all time, going both up and down. At the time of writing, it said there were 21 unread messages, although I see none Tony Proctor > Sorry for the OT post everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tony Proctor This may be the result of retrieving headers for cancelled messages, IIRC after trying to view such a message, the server responds that the message doesn't exist OE removes the header and counts seem to be accurate again. SignatureJoris van Lier Please note that all scripts and opinions are supplied "as is" and with no warranty Blog: http://whizzrd.spaces.live.com I've been having problems with Only this group. It shows unread messages in the OE treeview, but shows empty in the actual message list. This is the first post I've seen in days. Lance > Sorry for the OT post everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tony Proctor I've been seeing that as well, though I *have* been getting posts. I assumed it was the newsgroups being spammed, but automatically cancelled by MS's servers, thus artificially increasing the new post count temporarily, but when a full-fledged update is initiated by entering the group, it corrects itself. That's my theory, anyway; I have no specific knowledge that this is actually the case. Rob > I've been having problems with Only this group. It shows unread messages > in the OE treeview, but shows empty in the actual message list. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Tony Proctor Yes, I've noticed the same problem. It's really weird. Brian Thanks for the feedback guys. It seems pretty clear now that it's the newsgroup server and not my machine (or me)? Tony Proctor > Sorry for the OT post everyone. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Tony Proctor > Plus OE seems to think there are new posts in there but can't make up > its mind how many. Bingo! The problem is with OE. Bob O'Bob can explain this better than anyone, but the jist of it is... The NNTP spec is such that news readers request the server provide an *estimate* of how many new posts there are, not an actual number. The client can then use this estimate as it pleases. Servers are apparently allowed to over-estimate, but not under-estimate, the number of new posts. Most programmers would consider this a good thing, eh? You're told the max, allocate sufficient resources, then download and discard the overage. Thing is, OE doesn't do that last clean-up. It believes the estimate, regardless. Bob tried for years to convince MSFT to fix this stupid oversight, but they never really seemed to get it. (As is the case with NNTP in general, fwiw.) Signature.NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org Wow! Never knew that Karl Why would it suddenly show up so much recently though? What would cause the NNTP server to start grossly over-estimating all of a sudden, and to keep changing the estimation when there are no real unread messages at all? I can't believe that group is getting spammed more than any others. My count has been jumping around between about 6 and 26 for several days now. It's also been happening to a lesser extent in the microsoft public.vb.enterprise group as well. If I select 'Catch Up' on these groups, it temporarily goes to zero, but then comes back again after a few minutes Tony Proctor > > Plus OE seems to think there are new posts in there but can't make up > > its mind how many. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > MSFT to fix this stupid oversight, but they never really seemed to get it. (As is > the case with NNTP in general, fwiw.) Just to add to the list of groups that are doing it, the microsoft.public.access.adp.sqlserver group was doing it a week or two ago, but has since stopped. Rob > Wow! Never knew that Karl > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > (As is >> the case with NNTP in general, fwiw.) > Wow! Never knew that Karl > > Why would it suddenly show up so much recently though? What would cause the > NNTP server to start grossly over-estimating all of a sudden, and to keep > changing the estimation when there are no real unread messages at all? Bob has studied this in great depth, so hopefully he will comment. The best I can offer is that it's related to the clustered nature of their newsservers, and that when the cluster gets out of sync (not too uncommon in their setup) these various estimations do as well. Then, it can become the luck of the draw which actual server you connect to at any given time. The privatenews server is *notorious* for observing this problem. Signature.NET: It's About Trust! http://vfred.mvps.org >> Wow! Never knew that Karl >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > server you connect to at any given time. The privatenews server is *notorious* for > observing this problem. I've been otherwise occupied; but that covers it fairly well. Bob -- |
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