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VB Forum / General 2 / April 2004Thanks, everyone (Questions about "Wasting my time")
You're replies were scary but imformative. Maybe I'll just keep on delivering pizza for a living, although our foreign friends are becoming well-entrenched in that field as well! I've spent over 20 years programming computers. I hope I will continue for another 20 years. I refuse to be put off because of outsourcing. I've never tried to make money from it until now. Then I saw your posts and the replies, and now I'm not sure. I'm hoping they're not that bright and actually rely on people like helping them. I will continue building my web site, and give the code away if I have to. I work for an electronics company (UK) and we are losing work rapidly because of outsourcing too. It's everywhere but it shouldn't put us off. > You're replies were scary but imformative. Maybe I'll just keep on > delivering pizza for a living, although our foreign friends are > becoming well-entrenched in that field as well! > I've spent over 20 years programming computers. I hope I will continue > for another 20 years. I refuse to be put off because of outsourcing. I've > never tried to make money from it until now. Then I saw your posts and > the replies, and now I'm not sure. I'm hoping they're not that bright and > actually rely on people like helping them . . . . . They're bright alright, Lindsay. Just as bright, and in many cases much brighter, than you or I. Many are university graduates, and some of the universities in India make it much harder for you to graduate with "honours" than here in the UK, where people are in the habit of taking courses in all sorts of daft subjects that have no bearing on real life at all and are almost guaranteed a pass (unlike when I was a lad!). And, of course, almost every country in the world has an education system that makes it harder to get good academic results than it is in the good old US of A, where simply being able to kick a football will guarantee a good "graduation" ;-) Mike The level of intelligence probably isn't as much a factor as one would assume regarding the outsourcees (?). One factor is that much of the overseas outsourcees are little more than code factories, where quantity outweighs quality. Also, most working for such a facility are probably young recent grads. They may be the brightest, smartest, most book-knowledgeable there is, but may be lacking in the type of knowledge and wisdom one acquires through experience. They may code like whizzes, but may not yet know the "why's". Here's something to think about... I read an article in one of the major business publications a while ago analyzing the development of the tech sector in India. India is in the early stages of building a substantial venture capital base. Taking into consideration India's growing venture capital base and plenty of HB visa holders returning home with entrepreneurial ambitions, India is expected to surpass the US as the technology leader of the world in around 10 years. IOW, India will be the home of the majority of software companies and where most future innovations will be coming from. Heck, even Microsoft is investing financially in India and also employs a lot of HB workers from India in Redmond. > > I've spent over 20 years programming computers. I hope I will continue > > for another 20 years. I refuse to be put off because of outsourcing. I've [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mike > You're replies were scary but imformative. Maybe I'll just keep on > delivering pizza for a living, although our foreign friends are > becoming well-entrenched in that field as well! Jerry, if work becomes tight, I believe they are looking for bell-hops at the Royal Raj in Bangalore and laundry labourers in Lianyungang! Cheers Mick. >You're replies were scary but imformative. Maybe I'll just keep on >delivering pizza for a living, although our foreign friends are >becoming well-entrenched in that field as well! Unless one is just a code monkey, the real work behind programming is really 'analysis' - understanding the client's business That is something that one develops with experience - and is very hard to 'export' One other point, the Indians have an appalling track record in assembling electronics > One other point, the Indians have an appalling track record in > assembling electronics And no track record on developing software. I believe much of the outsourced work will come back when they discover it will take 1500 hours to fix software that was supposed to be developed in 600 hours. There will also be some development come back when companies learn that the "six developers" that were put on their project were also put on 15 other projects. The results are cheaper, but it took 36 months where it would have taken 4 in-house. And there will be some development that comes back when clients see the quality of the interfaces, with spelling/grammar errors, foreign language words, and just plain wrong translations. There will be some development that never comes back. The decision-maker might damage his reputation (or actually be fired) if he admits he was wrong about sending it overseas in the first place. There will also be some success stories. Austin >> One other point, the Indians have an appalling track record in >> assembling electronics > >And no track record on developing software. I believe much of the >outsourced work will come back when they discover it will take 1500 hours to >fix software that was supposed to be developed in 600 hours. I first heard of them outsourcing software in 1987 - seventeen years is quite some time I've never heard how good/bad they are - certainly the ones I've run into on the NGs seem pretty thick >There will also be some development come back when companies learn that the >"six developers" that were put on their project were also put on 15 other [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Austin |
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